fabiana rodriguez. she is an artist, organizer and activist that i have respect for. her organization creates artist events for border change. back in 2011, i attended one of their evens at the border. see? there i am right there. and we are reuniting in nearby bisby, arizona. >> well, thank you 54 -- thank you for coming down to arizona. >> it's been like six years. >> one of the first things i ever seen, was an artistic depiction of president obama. and under him or over him were the words, deporter in chief. i was like, hey, obama was the best. everything he does. some people on the left like to always demonize the bad policies come from the right. >> oh, hell, no. yeah. no. that's -- i mean, obama had taken office in 2008. it helped build the deportation apparatus that trump is using now. he implemented programs, that was secure communities. and said that local communities had to share their data with

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