trump, you would have equal numbers. so i think a lot of this has to do with the politics that's being played here. >> this is a huge majority of people. i didn't look -- >> talking about college-educated women, 30%, i guarantee you the same number opposes trump. >> i've got to leave it there because of time. rick, i don't mind to come you have a s a scold of you, you're always welcome to give your opinions, but i want to keep it apples to apples. thank you both, jennifer granholm, rick santorum. so who wants to delay the process? democrats want to delay the process, fair criticism. but they're not the only ones. we have a top republican who says it is in the best interest of the country to do so. why? you just heard that debate, rig right? we're not exactly in a good place on this. governor john kasich is here to talk about where he thinks this is headed and what we need to do better, next.