house forces are very clever at this. and that's why i think she's -- i mean, it's extraordinarily brave of her to come in and do this because she's paid this personal price already. but the odds of winning this kind of argument, unless she can appeal to people's sense of she really is a victim here, she really is being ganged up on. >> we're. we're going to take a break, continue the conversation. also we'll talk about the details of when, where, how we'll hear from judge kavanaugh and his accuser which are very much in flux. the latest on what we know. also tonight breaking news on the mueller investigation. new word tonight about the time the mueller team is spending with the president's former attorney michael cohen and what they're talking about. ...ancestrydna can pinpoint where your ancestors are from... ...and the paths they took, to a new home. could their journey inspire yours? order your kit at ancestrydna.com. hey, what do you guys want to listen to? ooh, hip-hop. reggaeton. edm. what about bubble trance? bubble what? bubble trance, it's a thing. my point is everyone's got different taste.