what he has to offer and where it comes together. we know that at the time the russians were offering dirt to the trump campaign on hillary clinton, manafort is reaching out through russian contacts and offering information on the campaign in order to get money he believes was owed him for work in ukraine. you have these two converging interests. the russians and wanting a relationship with the campaign. the campaign wanting something of value. money from the russians. he could shed light on this and we have to be circumspect. someone who wants a pardon and someone who admitted to witness tampering. the ex-tonight which he would be willing to cooperate we will have to wait and see. >> here won't be sentenced until

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