you got the woodward book, dozens of sources. this one is an echo if anything. this isn't a new song of this man doesn't take the job seriously enough, doesn't do it with enough seriousness, is abusive. we have to counteract him. this is not a new thought. >> well, let me -- i understand that, chris. let me just be -- i want to be very clear here to my friends in the white house and elsewhere that going after bob woodward is a bad idea. you know, every single president for as far back as i can remember has gotten a bob woodward and tried to say they weren't true, and they always were. so i think what the problem with the bob woodward book is people were talking to him, and some of them i think were lying. some of the things in that book, i don't believe, but i don't think it's won woodward. taking it out on bob woodward is a bad idea. the fact of the matter is this op-ed wasn't just written by a coward. it was written by someone who is diabolical, chris. >> but are they right about the situation?