office. you said in our meeting that congress would likely act quickly if the president does something, in your words, dastardly, a word you also used in the article. i'm struggling with the practical implications of that. what about a president who commits murder or if she jeopardizes national security or if he obstructs an investigation or a white-collar crime? how do you differentiate between these crimes when you characterize them as dastardly? >> so i think there's several issues going on in that question, senator. the first thing i want to underscore is that what i wrote in the minnesota law review in 2009 when president obama was president, or becoming president, was thoughts on a variety of topics reflecting -- >> i just want to pick up the tempo a little with my questions because i have so many of them. could we get to that point about the dastardly, if there's a way to differentiate. >> yes, but just to underscore,