and how much he loved the retail politics there and the mixing it up and stump speeches, jeff jacoby calls him new hampshire's third senator. what are your thoughts? >> that's very accurate. you know, if you're involved in politics at all in new hampshire, you certainly do get to know at least on some level those who are running for president. and john mccain grew to embrace the style of campaigning that works well in new hampshire. the last time i saw him, for any significant amount of time was when he came up the campaign for kelly ayotte in 2016 and we spent a full day -- i was trying to help my son chris who was running for governor and the four of us spent a full day in a van crossing the state, hitting a number of events and to listen to john talk in that van about how wonderful his experiences