be a little more forthcoming and answer the questions and stop spinning. >> so chris, let's get to the other stuff that we have. this potential fallout for donald trump appears to be getting bigger with reports that the publisher of "the national inquirer," david pecker, the president's buddy, granted immunity by prosecutors in the cohen investigation. that's huge. >> yeah, i mean, look. it's easy to focus just on when cohen cut the plea deal, we focused on cohen and what he said. the trump argument is, this is michael cohen, you can't trust this guy. what any lawyer i talked to said was, there's a zero percent chance the southern district of new york went just on michael cohen's word about what he said as it relates to these payments to stormy daniels and karen mcdougal and donald trump's role in it. they corroborated it, right? this is prosecution 101. you don't just go with this one guy. if you're going to give him a plea deal, you make sure what he's telling you is provable and