i've made it clear there's no circumstances under which i would testify against the president. >> and you know, jim, just because he's not contacted by the special counsel doesn't mean that he's not in any kind of trouble. usually the other case. that could indicate there's trouble for you. the other thing is that we have been led to believe that special counsel welcoming at some of stone's personal finances. he's had close ties to paul manafort, they were in business at one point together and could be another avenue that the special counsel could be pursuing. >> certainly sounds like they're pl laying the ground work. the date of mueller's team to subpoena the wikileaks intermediary to appear is on september 7th. what's that tell ugh about the timeline of the probe and whether he's close to finishing? >> right. that's randy credico. also known roger stone for quite sometime. so that really tells us that this is going to way past the