idea that it was -- just a way do get the foot in the door is one theory. the idea that, okay, dirt on hillary clinton and then changed the subject to sanctions relief. relief of the act and another theory is they -- the russians were seeing them as tied together, whether that was obvious to everybody in the room at the time or not. >> think about it. you have russian intelligence either agents meaning they were recruited by intelligence officers or intelligence officers themselves with very senior level access to a political campaign. they are not going to walk away from that opportunity. even if the campaign was winning or unwittingly. i guess they ran ahead of the headlights and don jr. didn't understand what he was getting into and used that to their advantage and say, hey, don't forget about what's behind door number 3 and we need to talk about sanctions so they were, you know, just kind of leading them along the entire opportunity that they had to