>> now you're preaching. >> people speak to leaders who don't agree or lineup with that. for me it wasn't about being seen. clearly that did nothing for me. i believe -- >> let me say this to you, and i spoke to someone who i really respect today and talking about faith. look, i am a person of faith. he said there is a reason that people would teach you about the bible, would let you congregate on the plantation, but would not allow you to read. do you understand the meaning of that? >> absolutely. >> it means they believe that religion keeps people in chains and that fighting back and saying, i'm not going to deal with this, turning the other cheek because they don't want you to leave the plantation. what do you say to that? >> he ri was never on the plantation. >> people keep overlooking so much, overlooking, you know, when it comes to women,

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