change camps. >> even with the outcomes of all of these things happening -- >> what could really jolt it possibly is if mueller comes with a smoking gun, if there's something there as there was with nixon when you have a tape, which convinced everybody he has to go. on both sides of the aisle. but so far, there's -- we see no evidence that that's what's coming. >> alice stewart, this is what president trump said today about possibly forcing a government shutdown. watch this, please. >> here you are suggesting that you'd be willing to, maybe you would talk about shutting down the government if that's what it took to get this wall built. >> it's like pulling teeth. getting these guys to -- to get it done is -- and you have to idea how tough i've been, and i say, hey, if you have a shutdown, you have a shutdown, but whether it's before or after. but i actually think it's a great campaign issue. i think it would be great bef e before. >> wait, wait, alice, hold on. i wish you guys could have seen david's expression. david, why are you so