mueller has not concluded the investigation. >> if you're going to open, open big. you don't open, you're not going to open -- this has been going on for how many monmonth many m. >> the phrase i would use is go big or go home and in this case, mueller has not gone home and he's gotten over 300 different charnls that have been filed. i wouldn't conflate the issue of saying because there has not be a direct connection to donald trump, and by robert mueller's team, does not mean there has not been clus between members of the campaign including people like paul manafort and rick gates and michael flynn and you have that con flags to say that nothing has happened. >> paul manafort -- of the 35 witnesses, i mean, sure you look ed at them. not one are are from the campaign. >> in that one case. you see this shifting of goal posts, you are still talking about how there was no collusion. but there are a number people,