runs things, you really find it credible that donald trump jr., jared kushner, paul manafort would have had this meeting where they were going to get all this dirt allegedly on hillary clinton for him to use against her and they wouldn't have told him about it? that sounds credible to you? >> well, i think could he have known after the fact? i think that's possible. i think what donald trump jr. said last year, the meeting was about 20 minutes. they thought they were going in for one thing. it turned out to be a completely other thing. they shortly dismissed the meeting. so, yes, i do think it's possible. i think if you check sources inside the white house and check sources inside that campaign, the level of from net sichl, it is very possible. you have to remember the president is a entrepreneur. one of the things that entrepreneurs do very well, they delegate to other people and create a lot of autonomy around them. one of the reasons why that campaign was so successful is that the president said, okay,
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