i lived through the bill clinton team smearing prosecutors. this is that times ten i think. at the core of it, forget the issue, forget your partisanship. they're saying it's okay if the president lied. it's not okay if the president lies about anything. >> the thing about all of this, and this goes along with his assessment of cohen at this point, too, is his assessments of people are transactional, it's based on whether that perp is being loyal to him at that moment. now cohen is off and he's mad at him. that's what that is. the one thing i do agree with rudy on, this is like an ancient drama with the pagt those and the heel turn and you don't know who to trust. i think it's a problem for trump that cohen was recording anything because we don't know what else he might have. that being said, you can't make those charges criminal, it's going to be splashy and media, but we have seen that not make a difference for him electorally because you have this issue where people stick with him. i do think that's the issue for