homes. that's a lot of people who would like programming like this who do not have hbo. and then we just said, there's got to be a different version of tony soprano. we found that with vic mackey, who was a cop. >> the good cop and bad cop left for the day. i'm a different kind of cop. >> the pilot of "the shield" is fascinating because you think he's being set up as a cat and mouse game. vic mackey is secretly in bed with all these people, making lots of money. and your introduced to this undercover cop, sent to bring him down. and you're thinking, i've seen this show before, i've seen this movie before. then you get to the pilot and vic shoots him in the face. >> there was some thought that hbo shows did well because they