all 19, but i do believe some of those folks asked those children to be left behind so they could be reunited with family members here. >> listen, there is a whole bunch of different kinds of scenarios. here's what i know. this is the worst case of child abuse, child neglect, child mistreatment that you could imagine, but it's america's government doing it to babies. >> that's why it matters. in fairness to dave urban, he comes on this show, and he owns the harshness of it. that's not something we want. your friends over on trump tv, on fox, they call it a playground. they say the kids are in summer camp. that's the kind of insensitivity that raises suspicion that that's what it was always about, dave. >> listen, chris. >> they want the harng harshness, they want these people to live in fear not to come and they want to treat them badly when they do. >> i don't believe that to be the case. i'm on this network, not on the other. and, you know, i don't believe that to be the case. i think we can do better. we should do better. this is america and it's a shame what's happening right now. >> let's pivot topics on the idea of how well we can do in a