administrators -- really understood that touching a man's genitals without the need to do so is the definition -- is a definition of sexual abuse and sexual assault. again, in the mid '80s, that term wasn't necessarily used. however, to now say, to now know that the word does apply to what was happening to us at the time is -- is just -- it's surprising to me, given the fact that jim has -- this isn't the jim jordan i know. >> i asked disabato what exactly did jim jordan say back to you when you told him about what was happening to you then? he didn't have an answer. he didn't have specifics. but he said that just everybody knew in the wrestling department, and that's where it stands. we'll see if congressman jordan has another reply today.