were there. congressman jim jordan was a wrestling coach. do you believe he knew about this while he was there? >> i know jim knew about what i call the deviant sexual atmosphere we were exposed to. >> how do you know? >> we all had conversations. jim was more like a big brother than a coach. he was 23, 24 years old when i first met him in 1986. i've known jim for over 40 years. his family and i -- i've been close to his family. i've stayed in touch with jim over the years. we talk once a month. >> do you remember specifically talking to him about this back then while it was happening? >> like i said, it was something that we would discuss on a regular basis, mainly with her in vous banter, locker room banter, if you've ever been in a