you just try to get yourself out of it, and then once i started hearing that he was kind of making his way up the hall, or up the alley way or whatever you want to call it that runs through the pit of desks in our office, just trying to stay quiet, hoping that the glow of my computer screen didn't point out the fact that i was hiding under my desk, hoping that the various buzzings on my phone wouldn't put out my position to him and ultimately try to get -- him try to find out where he was. you know, at some point when i was listening to him reload, it's -- you know, are we all going to die? it's not necessarily is he done. it's is he not going to leave until everyone in here is dead? >> yeah. that was about the same for me. >> and had you, selene, your colleagues doesn't any active shooter training drills, or any