still under my desk where he was only a few feet away from him, and i impleerngs it wasn't -- it was not a long event. it certainly felt like an eternity. i'm sure anyone else who went through something like this would say the same thing, but in all honesty, it was probably all of two two three minutes. >> selene, where were you and what did you first hear? >> i sit pretty close to phil. i remember i was working at my desk when i heard the shots. and it took a couple of them for me to realize what was happening. and i looked at anthony, the intern. and i said i'm getting out of here. i grabbed my purse and went to the back door which i was only a couple steps away from, and it was locked. and i said it's locked. and at that point it was me,