he will be indicted. i think any laer has to assume an indictment based on what jeffrey haid. you don't search lawyers offices unless you're ready to indict. what he gets indicted for, who knows. the most interesting thing if he were indicted for something that related directly to president trump. there's no indication that's in the offing, but i do think any lawyer should assume who takes the case that he's representing a client who will either be indicted or will cooperate. and the idea of sending a message to the president, kind of hoping for some sort of a pardon, again, we don't know if he's going to be charged or what he would be charged with, but you have been very kind of negative on the notion, som have pointed to, well, the state's attorney cring charges against michael cohen even if michael cohen is pardoned. you think that's unlikely. >> i think it's very unlikely. the attorney general of new york is not set up as a criminal prof they don't have the resources. they don't have the laws. they don't have the experience