intercontinental development system and at a minimum and not kplunicay and we are talking about the same thing and the only thing we got is a proims for more promises and we've been down that road before. >> and to play devil's advocate, we've had several decades of presidents tto achieve denuclearization in north korea and several decades of failure. now president trump is forced to deal with this. is it not worth a hail mary pass? is it not worth a gamble given the fact that now we're talk abo -- we're talking about a end game and north korea with a nuclear icbm which is some of previous presidents -- all of whom failed on this agenda by the way, is now what is being discussed. >> well, you know, most hail mary passes don't work out. and so what we needed and what we still need is say methodical strategic plan as to how we get north korea to give up its nucl.