jail card. but who's he giving these pardons to? it's been a lot of the alt-right heroes, people who are kind of outlaws of radical right conservatism. sheriff arpaio, susan libby, dinish. it's also an attempt to kind of seize the playing field. like he used to say on the apprentice you're pardoned, you're fired. he'll do a pardon and say it's just all a witch hunt that we're in, and i'm defending the right team, the right-wing team in america. >> but he's using it as a tool, but to what end specifically, frank? >> i think there are a number of events, but two that come to mind is he is under investigation. he has people around him who have been indicted or whatever. he's saying to the american public the criminal justice

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