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president talking about and not talking about with special counsel robert mueller. listen. >> if mueller -- everything can be worked out then they would probably limit it to collusion and obstruction. the collusion part, we're pretty comfortable with because there's been none. the obstruction part i'm not as comfortable with. the president is fine with it. he's innocent. >> all right. let's bring in the panel to discuss this. joining us from kentucky, cnn political commentator and former special assistant to president george w. bush scott jennings. and in our nation's capital, the deputy managing editor kelly jane torrens. isn't that a target knowing what the lawyers are uncomfortable about talking about him with? >> yeah. you know, ryan, i have to say i take a little bit of a contrarian stance on rudy giuliani. i know a lot of people in washington think, you know, he's

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