president pence would pardon the president. is the only gauge for whether or not this has been a useful investigation, whether or not there are charges on the president? >> the reason i disagree on this. it appears to me as a conservative and republican, that what's happening right now. democrats are trying to paralyze and cripple this presidency. half of the people -- there's nobody in charge of the government right now, the democrats won't approve half of the people. and then you have this investigation. >> they're corrupt and unqualified. >> they're unqualified. >> and they can't get their paperwork done. they can't even get their own people through on their even. >> you want to put him in jail. i mean, it's ridiculous, they want to criminally prosecute him. >> do you know how mitch mcconnell controlled the senate when obama was president. and how many administrators -- >> no, let me finish. don't interrupt me. you know what, let other people talk. other -- they did not allow any