has been to be significant, has to be someone he needs to speak to. he wants to know from the oligarch who are you talking to, what are you doing, what are you will go for? there is a ton of questions. the fact that at&t and novartis happen to be art of the bank records would be a question of what else is he doing? what's happening here? i don't think it necessarily falls in the same category as russia. but it's still of interest because there is no -- it's in this account. there is a lot of questions. >> quick last word david then a break. >> look there is every possibility that this money is not about buying access, the $500 but is a pay off for past services. we don't know that. but one of the things that's important and guess wak to paul's point is that mueller was interviewing them six months ago and guess what happened then. they raided the offices cohen because they thought a crime had been committed. they thought they had evidence. it's not a neutral fact when at the go into the office taking the hit that they got publicly