unless he was compelled by court to do so. >> all right, so is he just enjoying play good cop? knowing he'll never do it because all these bad cops have convinced him? tell mueller you want to do it. >> i think that could be part of the strategy because he's like i'm fearless in this. i've got ng to hide. but u i think he would be nuts to sit down with mueller because it's more than a cat and mouse game now. russian roulette for one side. if mueller keeps pushing us. >> use the word russian? sorry. >> if he doesn't have the goods and goespoenasubpoena, they look terrible. if trump goes in tlpd sits through a deposition and i've had too this, there is nothing fun u about it. and they parse every word and they will get you on something. even if you're telling the truth, but you don't remember. they'll get you on something. >> someone like him who adds all kind of f things. lyinging about the bottom line. not the point. you heard michael.