secure communities and said okay local police need to share data wnl i.c.e. a and so he really grew the entire system and as a result you saw deportations at the highest they been for any president. talking at rights over 1,000 a day. about 2 million people. >> wow! >> yeah. >> why is it people quote unquote anti-immigration buy why don't they see these as families and people who need help. >> i think words and language create unconscious bias. symbols, imagery, because in the 90s i remember watching tv and seeing the commercials that stay invasion. >> they keep coming. 2 million illegal immigrants in california. >> you would see round guys running and symbol of the border has been such a powerful symbol really in creating a lasting anti-immigrant waive. >> now let's talk about the wall. >> yeah. >> like as an artist how you see it what your thoughts are when