bad actor where the u.s. is concerned? >> i think you have to look at this in a broader sense. we see this not only happening in the united states, but we see it happening in other countries where with see these -- you might want to call them ultra nationalist movements, we've seen this and so where there are ultra nationalist voices in many western countries that have had sympathetic views towards putin and russia. i reject it. i don't understand it. but it's part of a broader phenomenon. maybe president trump is a manifestation -- >> aren't we better than that? hasn't america always stood against that? and hasn't our leadership always echoes that? >> absolutely. one beautiful thing about this country since the second world war, we've had a bipartisan consensus on foreign policy with respect to the former receive yet union. i agree with the president.