somebody for yourself for example taking a story about somebody you like or care about. and they squash a story so it doesn't hurt you. >> so the allegations -- ami which doesn't do catch and kill. but a number of former employees told the new yorker routinely they have done catch and kill. purchased the rites to a story. done an interview in your case with you. get your story about donald trump. then they never publish it. and they own the rights to it. you can't tell it to anybody else. the story is effectively killed as a favor to in this case donald trump. >> right. >> did you know that that's what was -- that's the allegation of what was going on here. did you realize that at the time? >> i knew the story wasn't going to be printed. >> why do you think they squashed the story? >> back then or now? >> now. >> they didn't want to hurt him.