the second is the fragmentation. the third is the thermal effect, meaning the fires that get started or somebody becomes injured. they're inside their home or a building and end up succumbing to the inhalation of smoke. this is a very serious, serious -- and i'm going to disagree with some of my colleagues. this is somebody that meets the definition of a depraved sociopath, someone who is looking to target individuals to create fear. we can't define this as terrorism because to bob's point, there's not a political or a social goal yet determined. but make no doubt about it. trying to sow terror and put people on edge and in fear. >> tom fuentes, just in terms of the -- again, the evolution and the methodology and the motivation of somebody for doing this, one of the things the police are trying to do, and they've been doing this now for days, is make public appeals to this person or persons to reach out to them and explain what their gripe is or why they're doing this. >> well, that may work, anderson. you know, one of the things they're trying for here is that a person with extreme sociopathy