what a normal attorney would do in representing and protecting their clients? >> you know whrx i looked at how he became affiliated with donald trump, i think of him more has the president's groupie, who eventually then morphed into personal counsel, who is putting out fires left and right for the president, and doing things maybe that counsel such as ty cobb in the white house would be inappropriate to involve them in these sorts of things. he was, you know, originally an investor in an apartment, a trump apartment, then he got some family members invest. and that's how his friendship with donald trump started. then all of a sudden, he becomes the president's attorney. >> and as you play this out, as you look into the future, it seems as though at this point, this isn't something that robert mueller is all that interested in. could it become something that bleeds into the special counsel investigation and what they're looking into with russia? >> we have to circle back to your previous question about whether it's an election law violation. that could cause mueller to circle back because election law