president of attacking his own attorney general publicly, shaming him. we just saw it today. we now, according to "the washington post," it's one of the questions that mueller and his team are asking people about. last summer, the public shaming. have you ever -- does it make sense to you for a president to be publicly shaming his attorney general? >> i think it is just bizarre. i don't know any other way to characterize it. the reality is, is the president again not really understanding the function of the job. i mean no president is above the law. the position that jeff sessions holds means he's got to follow the law. it's not as if he's just working for the president. he's working for the american people. >> and that's what he said in his statement today kind of pushing back on the president. i appreciate your time. joining us now, david gergen, david chalian, and gloria borger. let's talk about hope hicks. david gergen, you've worked in a lot of white houses. have you seen in any white house where you worked that there is