he is the president's son-in-law. when he makes a complaint like this, when he is feeling boxed out and he is trying to remedy that, is he treated like any other member of the administration or treated differently? that's the question with him all along. it belongs to a long line of questions including whether he is qualified for the items in the portfolio that have been given to him. and this is a guy with little experience in the world coming into the white house and we haven't seen great results so far. >> what was interesting -- john kelly -- looking for the exact et quote. john kelly issued a statement basically saying, well we have full confidence in jared kushner. i wasn't really talking about him. but if you look at the letter of the memo. >> yes. >> and what it says, then jared kushner, put the statement up. then jared kushner should not have access according to john kelly. he is saying, as i told him a couple of days ago, i have full confidence in his ability. but -- >> no, i mean if you look at what is supposed to be the new edicts, jared kushner runs afoul of those edicts. again, is an exception made for him because he is the president's son-in-law or do they actually kind of get their act in order here.