was doing was -- you would call it shaking the trees, others would call it taking what is happening actually in good faith as we speak to capitol hill, and turning it on its head. >> there was a senior gop source close to the budget talks, basically brushed off what the president said, saying it's trump being trump, i doubt we see a shutdown. do people on capitol hill ignore this stuff thinking, that's just the things the president says? >> if you go with what dana has been reporting on, it looks like there may be two different bills. one bill on spending, the senate's finding a solution, bring the domestic side up, match the military, shove it on the house to pass. but you've got a bipartisan bill that way. the other track is, and that will prevent a shutdown. on that basis, the democrats lose, everybody loses a lot of leverage. it may well be that the dreamers bill, the separate bill, will then guy because of inability to find a solution that pleases the president. the president keeps saying, i insist, you work out a