objections of other people. this is in 2014, the cia torture report. he said the cia report should not be released, puts our nation and military overseas in danger, a propaganda tool for our enemies. as you know, there are all sorts of people in the fbi that says this will reveal sources and methods and shouldn't be released. >> there are two important values here, but they point in opposite directions. one is security, and that means protecting sources and methods from showing up in the pages of our press and so forth because that can get people killed. it has gotten people killed in the past, ruined relations between us and other countries with whom we trade intelligence and the like. that points in one direction. the objective of the people knowing what is important and being able to make judgments about which of their elected representatives is handling this well and so forth produces an inclination for more openness.