>> there is abuse of fisa ken. i i suppose that's a legitimate question. i wonder on the memo here i wonder. >> jim can we touch on that. >> >> sure. >> can we touch on that. >> sure i mean do do you think. >> it is. >> legitimate question is this the way to jude kate the legitimate questions. >> look, i've litigated in the fisa court, sued over their surveillance. to take another step back from michael's, and address that question, jim, that is an excellent question. and my answer would be the democrats have their own memo that presumably has other information in it to lawyera's point. i hope they both come out. aband the reason is because i understand the abuses that do take place under this veil of secrecy. >> sure. >> and the national security institution, including the fbi but not alone, is always going to defend it. and the american people need to understand the abuses that