it's no surprise that mueller found out. >> right. well you know what we saw -- what we saw, don, is a number of people from the white house denying that, including the president himself. if you search you will find comments from the president in which he said he never intended to fire mueller. wasn't going to fire mueller which is not the first time of course there's been dishonesty from the president. what i will say we had a conversation before the break about the legality of firing mueller or comey. i mean what i will say is the logical extension of the argument that there is no crime there is essentially that the president according to that argument would -- could fire every fbi director anyone in the leadership of the fbi, fire the special counsel after special counsel until he found people who were were willing to let him go, willing not to continue the investigation. >> but isn't that the prerogative of the president to fire anyone at will? >> well, not for any reason, right. for example, you know. >> i doesn't have to give a reason.