funding roadblock on friday. so they're in exact ly the same position that they were three days ago, and it's not clear to me they got anything except for the bad press that accrued to them from this shutdown. >> they're bad. the democrats' bet is that by november when there is an election, this will be forgotten if the government reopens. if the president is still popul popular, that's what will carry to november, not that we had a shutdown. that's their bet. we're having this conversation in the middle of january, by november this will be long forgotten, and then the question will be, did they get this immigration? the republicans did have a disciplined strategy to say the democrats were shutting down the government to protect illegal immigrants. is that what you want, american people? it's a national converation but it also matters most in a handful of states -- if the republicans want to keep their senate majority, they want to knock off a couple democrats this year. one of them is john tester from the state of montana. listen to the white house budget