entire negotiation over daca and the dreamers. >> i think, look, what you saw senator durbin doing was very calculated. as you noted, it was very planned. two fold. first to get on the record, in public, by two actual participants on either side. senator durbin trying to defend his remarks, something he wanted to do, and he wanted to have the fight on policy, have a very clear discussion about what his proposal on the daca issue would do, where the administration stood and why according to his questions the administration rejected that proposal when he feels it addresses many of the things they asked for in the beginning. you can make the argument he was effective in the first part. also clear if you want to look at the long game here and the negotiations ongoing right now, that where he sits and where secretary nielsen sits and the trump administration sits on this daca issue specifically, they're still very, very far apart and have a very compressed time window to figure out some resolution right now. >> to phil's point, i think