the show today -- tonight. you famously called the election of donald trump a white lash. is the defense president trump getting from conservative media a continuation of the white lash? >> i was referring to that section of the donald trump base that seem to have motivated by the racial appeal. they weren't offended by the racial appeal. they weren't holding their nose about the racial appeal. that was why they were enthusiastic. i think those forces have gotten bigger, stronger, and felt more validated by some of the president's behaviors. unfortunately. and that is very, very dangerous. democracies can fail. in fact, democracies usually fail. the fact that we have this many different kinds of people in one country and that we mostly get along, most days we get along, we're doing commerce, educating our kids. it's a miracle in human history, but it can't be taken for granted.