the first thrust and the primary thrust of the russia investigation was the third one at the department of justice, that's counterintelligence. this is a russian meddling of one form or another, at least an attempt, in american affairs. that is a counterintelligence investigation first and foremost. the regulation that governs recusal does not touch that, does not touch that. >> it's criminal. >> that's where this whole thing began. that's where this whole thing began, and the attorney general recused himself way beyond merely criminal investigation. he -- he took all of the items off the table at the department of justice, including those non-addressed by the regulation. there are very -- >> as he was required to do -- >> in the role of counsel to the president to call up the attorney general and question what he was doing and why and why the scope -- >> ken, this is the president who believes that the job of the attorney general is to protect him, it seems like. i mean, is that the job of the