so he stood actually for much of the interview so he wouldn't have to look up to tom snyder. when he had his hand around my neck, he was actually -- it was very creepy. and he was actually saying to me, are you going to ask questions like is this where i hold the knife to women's throats? and my blood ran cold until i realized as i was warned that this was a test. so i'm actually responding right there, oh, charles, you're such a kidder. and he shrugged and a littlismish and walked away. >> jesus. that's frightening to imagine. why do you think he was so good then at man inlatesting people? particularly vulnerable women. many of whom who stood by him, even after the conviction of these crimes. >> he was a little bit older than they were. he had been raised in the prison system and his closest friend was a pimp who really taught