he spoke to the "washington examiner" and he said this about moore, okay? "he is clean as a hound's tooth. take joseph and mary. mary was a teenager and joseph was an adult carpenter. they became parents of jesus. there's just nothing immoral or illegal here. ziegler concluded. maybe just a little bit unusual." the reason i ask that, not to, you know, just to sort of beat a dead horse here, but in recent weeks, and we have talked about this, frank, you've seen immediate and swift consequences from allegations about harvey weinstein, about kevin spacey, about mark halperin and others. why do you think that it is different in the world of politics? >> i think we have become -- and part of the answer is we've become so partisan that you look for any sort of rationalization, you look for any sort of excuse to be able to hold on to the candidate who's a member of your tribe. that's part of what's going here. but it's interesting, i'm glad you mentioned all those other cases, all those other men. because steve bannon is planting the notion that this is only