argument next week none of this has to do with the white house. >> right. so, josh, if these indictments are more tangential to collusion such as money laundering, is that a political win for the president's case that there's no collusion? >> i'm sure that's the argument that the white house will make, but it's not actually evidence of any innocence and absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. it's like a journalist axe i don't mean. so no matter what we see this week as early as this week, that doesn't rile know rule out anything that we might see in the future. in fact, there's no way that this isn't bad for the white house because if there's someone associated with the trump white house or the trump campaign who is indicted, okay, that's just the beginning. that's the beginning of a new phase in the mueller investigation where as up till now it's been mostly behind the scenes. we've been relying on piecemeal leaks here and there. this will be brought out into the open and now this won't be the end of mueller's efforts. it will just, you know, bring it to the stage where he feels he's ready, he's collect enough evidence.