of. yes, his numbers are way down, you're right about that, but the sentiment behind what they said, steven. what do you think of that? >> you mean what they said? look, i think there's something to what they say. i admire donald trump, but sometimes he says things and i just grab my hair and say, donald, don't put it that way. but, i gotta say -- >> thank you for your candor and you may not have hair the longer this goes on. >> for example, i was at the california republican convention this week and i talked to activists a lot of time. i talk to business leaders. the anger that a lot of people on the right have is directed at congress for not passing trump's agenda, not at trump himself. >> what do you think? >> steven, i appreciate you coming back around on this, but what you said at the outset was to suggest that these two men are saying what they're saying because their poll numbers are low, as opposed to them having an honest belief that this