contacted. and he said, exaggerations about past presidents and how they didn't really always call or often call. he started down this road. they asked, well, have you reached out to the families -- >> let me say this -- >>. >> let me say this. i've been at dover air force base with president trump. i was there when president obama. both of them -- neither of them have a lot of experience in this. they were both uncomfortable when i saw their body language at dover air force base. that uncomfortableness is probably necessary for someone who is to send folks into war. general kelly gave the president great advice. it's probably best that you don't call the family. while we're talking about this, grieving families and sometimes grieving family members receive information very differently the at that time, so i hope that moving forward, the president will take general kelly's advice because he's been through this, he's seen this first hand. he understands it personally.