i think it's very effective, you know. when he goes out there and talks, i'm calmed. i think the american people are calm. >> he's more presidential than the president. >> he definitely is. and he can take some of the things donald trump is saying and say them in a much more palatable, eloquent manner. i think we really need this man. you know, in the past i've called for other people to leave the administration because they're just not going to fix it. donald trump is not going to change. but this is a guy we need. he's the man -- we want him on that wall. we need him on that wall. >> and my question -- if we start to call him president kelly -- >> then he's gone. >> fired. >> you just answered my question. so, how many times are we going to see top officials push back on reports that they aren't on the chopping block? >> that was weird, don. i thought it was -- it was funny, it was humorous when he