beyond saying how is this not a pot, kettle -- hypocrisy situation? >> that's exactly what it is. and not only that, but, again, i agree with part of what scott said. i am a businesswoman. i understand not trying to chase away your market, you know, but we cannot -- jamel, first of all, was not on air working. she has said she regrets that her personal opinions were taken as an opinion for espn, so the same way that i write for cnn and there's a little caveat, these opinions are roxanne jones, i understand that. i understand that and i understand what espn did although i don't agree with that but jamel has a first amendment right to free speech as a personal citizen, as an employee of espn and all of that. and if donald trump and the white house can defend white supremists who march in charlottesville with torches and nazi insignia and say they're good people with a right to free speech, then certainly you don't then have the right to turn